President of the Australian Diabetes Society Doesn't Understand Evolution

Human and mouse separated 90.9 millions of years ago http://www.timetree.org/search/pairwise/human/mouse

we ate seeds for much longer than 10,000 years. my chinese wives lived on sunflower seeds with pumpkin seeds as an occasional treat. any browsing animal would do the same. difficult to document african diets of 100,000 years ago, seed cases don't last.

There is a remark in a quite adult novel about Vampires that was very popular about 20 years, along the following lines: "I feel so sorry for our young students today, we having done all the good stuff decades ago". As I recall it, the imagined speaker was an academic, working in the Social Sciences,at a Mid-Western university. No doubt in some scientific disciplines this is wholly untrue, but is it fair to assume that in some subject areas, with the huge expansion of university education across the globe, it must now be very hard to find much that has not already been done to death; hence a little study like this in which even the fundamentals are wrong. On the subject of diet, I was going to comment on the seeming health and longevity implications of rice as opposed to wheat raised a week or so ago. The central point made in the piece was that the former seems to be much better for human health than the latter. Something that occurred to me is the possible relevance of the "starch to protein" shift has been widely noted in economies that get richer by way of industrialisation, with folking wanting a Western life-style along with Western technology. Would that have been factored in? Certainly there seems to be general acceptance that loading your gut with processed meat in particular is less then good idea from a health point of view and, on the face of things, wheatlands would be more readily transformed to stock-rearing than those areas under rice production.

I wrote about this study on my blog as well: https://aaronblaisdellblogblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/19/diet-research-insantity/. I also posted the actual composition of the HF diet, which would not be paleo even for humans to consume! Take a look at how heavily refined and processed the diet is. Ciao, Aaron

Hunter-gathers may well have eaten seeds before 10,000 years ago. At least Holocene hunter-gatherers mostly knew how to collect grass and weed seeds and parch them to make them edible. Think of parched seeds as low quality popcorn. There is a waterlogged archaeological site in Israel/Palestine, Ohalo II, with well preserved remains of harvested wild grass seeds dating back to 20 kya. It is a fair guess that at least Upper Paleolithic people harvested wild seeds when and where they were easy and abundant or as emergency foods. That said, parching is not a very effective way to get calories from grass and weed seeds, so parched seeds probably was seldom if ever a major source of calories. Dietary adaptation to heavy reliance on seed based diets probably only started in the latest Pleistocene (Natufian hunter-gatherers) and early Holocene (Incipient farmers and early farmers). We already know of some genetic and many cultural adaptations in response to plant-rich diets postdating agriculture. People may be fairly well adapted to to their customary diets.

Rodents (mice and rats at least) have physiological adaptations that enable them to break down specific antinutrients that exist in grass seeds and legumes, such as phytic acid. Humans don't have these adaptations. It doesn't matter what the paleontological record says if the physiological adaptations to diets in extant species diverges so greatly. Plus, if an individual stops eating a specif food (grass seeds and legumes) and has significant improvements in health, then one can say that the individual probably would do well to remove them from his/her diet. This is Peter's and my case in regards to grains/legumes. This is the case for A LOT of folks who try a paleo diet, but not all individuals of course. I'll make my personal dietary recommendations based on my own empirical data over the anthropological record any day.

It is indeed incredible how ignorant "experts" can be. It is also indeed very unfortunate that studies like this will surely convince many people that VLCHF can lead to weight gain when there is nothing that could be clearly than the fact that such a diet is the way everyone should be eating for optimal weight and health.

If I may ask you all to indulge me in a bit of heresy, I'd like to throw out a question here. Since we know that difference ethnic groups have different tolerances for, say, milk or alcohol, I wonder if part of the problem in finding the right diet is that we're looking for one that applies to the entire species? In other words, granted that mice are not a good model, what if humans whose ancestors lived in a different culture (with different food-gathering customs) are not even a good model? Since we know that lactose tolerance evolved recently enough to be dependent on whether or not your ancestors raised cattle, why might it not be the same for grains, nightshades, and every other food that some people have trouble with and others don't? If so, it might be appropriate to make recommendations for a person's diet based on sequencing of your genome, finding which aboriginal group had the most similar DNA, and then trying to have a diet similar to the one customary in that group. I have basically no background or data to back this up, just throwing it out there as an idea to comment on.

It is absurd. As with mainstream economics the problem here reside in the models used; A well-intentioned researcher tries to simplify his investigation by resorting to a very known and simple to handle animal subject: the mouse. But in doing that he loses in translation all the relevant things that this model should grasp; The paleodiet makes sense precisely because there has been a change in our diet during the last 10.000 years. Mice have not undergo such a change so, what makes this researcher think mice are a good animal model?... By the way, Peter, I wanted to ask you if besides weight loss you have experimented more benefits from the paleodiet. I am very fond of milk and bread so I would need a lot of benefits to quit them... I have also heard about a kind of paleo fitness or paleo cross training: it tries to mimic the kind of phisical activity our ancestors had,